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Overcoming Self-Doubt & Finding Confidence in God: An Interview with Denise Clark Weston

• Matt Tommey: Artist, Best-Selling Author, Speaker, Entrepreneur and Artist Mentor

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In this joyful and inspiring episode of The Thriving Christian Artist Podcast, I talk with long-time friend and mentoring program member Denise Clark Weston. A multi-talented creative with deep family roots in the arts, Denise shares her story of growing up surrounded by creativity, navigating seasons of self-doubt, and discovering her confidence and artistic voice through persistence and faith.

From her Pacific Northwest studio, Denise paints stunning oil landscapes that reflect both the beauty of nature and the resilience of a heart rooted in God’s goodness. In our conversation, she opens up about her heritage, her journey of overcoming insecurity, and the joy she finds in continually exploring new creative paths.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • How growing up in a creative family shaped Denise’s artistry
  • Overcoming self-doubt and finding confidence in God’s design
  • Why trying different art forms can strengthen your skills
  • The joy of painting landscapes that connect with the viewer’s heart
  • Embracing your creative journey as a lifelong adventure

🌟 Favorite Quotes from This Episode:

“I actually was raised in a home with creatives… my great grandmother was a costume mistress for the Paris Opera.” — Denise Clark Weston

 “You’re one of those people that God poured extra talent in and I love that!” — Matt Tommey

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Speaker 1:

All of the world, artists are awakening. Painters and potters, writers and weavers, poets and dancers not chasing followers or fame, but sons and daughters called for such a time as this, transformed from the inside out, creating with purpose, releasing the glory of God and living in the power of the kingdom. Right now, this is the Thriving Christian Artist. Well, hey, friends, welcome back to the podcast. I'm Matt Tommy, your host. Super glad that you are here. Listen, I have a lot of great podcast guests on, as you know through the years, after doing over 500 episodes. But I tell you, denise Clark Weston is not only a great friend, she's been a student of mine for years. She's just an incredible person and you're going to see that on the podcast today. She is somebody that is full of joy, full of the Lord, and has a real, real, powerful story of resiliency and persistence in her life. And so, denise, I'm super glad that you are here. Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, matt. It's a great opportunity and I welcome it, and I thank you for giving me this chance to talk about my story a little bit and talk about art and what a difference doing art has made in my life.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I know we're going to give people your website a little bit later on everything, but just for those folks who are just getting to know, you maybe give us a little bit about what you do creatively right now and where you are in the world, and then we'll jump into some of your backstory.

Speaker 2:

Well, what I'm doing creatively right now is I'm painting landscapes in oil. I enjoy painting them on canvas, on panels, on linen, all kinds of ways. I live in the Great Pacific Northwest, as we call it. A town called Vancouver is not Vancouver BC, it's Vancouver Washington. It's near Portland Oregon, not Portland Maine, and we're just north of a massive Columbia River, which provides not just beautiful weather, not when it's not raining, but even when it is raining. I'm here from San Diego and one of the reasons I moved up is because I like all the green that comes with rain, and that was a legit reason. Even when I was young, I wanted to live where it rained.

Speaker 1:

Wow, wow, so good. Now listen, having known you you've been in the mentoring program a long time and mastery all this. We've gotten to know each other a lot and just getting to gotten to see God do a lot of things in your life. But I think I can honestly say you're one of those people that God made extra like you. He poured extra talent in you, you've, you've. You're like one of those people. If you're asking, like, have you ever done this art thing or this kind of thing, denise is the first oh yeah, I did that. I took classes, I taught that. Oh yeah, I did that for 20 years, you know. So roll the tape back, like where did this whole art journey start for you, and how did art start first erupting in your life?

Speaker 2:

if you will, I'll try to be brief, matt. Oh, it's fine. It's fine Working on my life story. So I actually was raised in a home with creatives. My mother couldn't find an art thing that she didn't want to do. She loved sewing. I even came from a family of creatives. I had my mother's side family that was involved in theatrical arts. My great-grandmother was a costume mistress for the Paris Opera Wow, phantom of the Opera, and you see the lady with the bun on her head, the older lady. I even have a picture of my grandmother that looks just like that.

Speaker 2:

My goodness, she sewed a costume for Sarah Bernhardt and my grandfather delivered it to Miss Bernhardt, wow. So that's some really cool backstory. My father also loved to work with wood and he was in the Philippines during World War II and he brought back just a bunch of Philippine mahogany that he carved into these beautiful little statues and even handmade furniture. So they both were extensively, I mean as a hobby really. My grandfather also took up oil painting uh, as a retired person, and I have a painting of his hanging in my bedroom.

Speaker 2:

I have his easel, which is a little old rickety thing, but you know so special though it is very special and I still have it, Um.

Speaker 2:

So I grew up seeing art, Um, but then I didn't have any. I didn't have any self-confidence and, um, I'm not sure if that's you know just how the Lord made me, or I mean, I know now that, as a child of God, that that I'm confident, that he did a wonderful, masterful work in me, but as a human I didn't have confidence and I had to develop that. So, anyway, what I would do is, every now and then I'd get some pencils or some watercolors or something and I'd do some drawing and be like, well, that's not bad, but I didn't have the confidence to go forward with it. So I didn't actually start exploring art till I was 21. And I met a friend at college who invited me to come to his open studio and it was an actual open studio made a woodblock print and it was of a Japanese geisha. I still have the original print. I don't have the block anymore.

Speaker 2:

Got rid of that along the way, but I'm that print and I still can look at it and say, wow, I did that when I was, you know, 20. And that kind of started the path that started me thinking I could do this. I went on and spent I I, because I like to travel, I went to and this was formative about my art I would get a job. You know, I go to college for a while and I get tired of being poor. I get a job and make a bunch of money. One of my first jobs was being a house painter on a house painting crew and I learned to be precise and detailed in how to use a brush and that was really cool. So I went from there to then.

Speaker 2:

I make money in the job and I say, well, I'm tired of work and I want to go to Europe and I go to Europe and look at all the fabulous art and draw and stuff, and then I'd come back and I'd go back to school and live back with my mom and dad and you know, just did this little cycle thing so nine years.

Speaker 2:

Bohemian life right, this is I'm seeing this very Bohemian, yeah, and I got. So I ended up getting my bachelor of arts degree and in visual art and along the way I was just blessed to meet some wonderful people. After that I decided to pursue a degree in printmaking because, again with the self-esteem, I didn't think I was good enough to be an oil painter. I pursued a degree in printmaking, which was a very highly technical, technically based art and I loved the technical parts of it. I loved putting you know asphaltum on a zinc plate and etching you know and putting it in the nitric acid and watching it etch the lines. Etching you know and putting it in the nitric acid and watching it etch the lines and the whole thing about doing original prints. Lithography was great not my cup of tea. Silkscreen I excelled in and I ended up finishing my Master of Fine Arts degree at the University of Oregon and decided I that was going to what I was going to do. I was going to be a printmaker.

Speaker 2:

Wow what I was going to do. I was going to be a printmaker, Wow. So I got out of school, I got married and, um, that was like um, really great, and uh. And then I applied to a studio up here in the Northwest in Portland called I won't say the name of it, because they turned me down. But then I'm like, well, what am I going to do now? So that was when I got into all kinds of other arts. I did um, I did jewelry, I did um, I did color pencil for like five years when one of my first child was born, Cause, you know, you can just put color pencils away. I did watercolor for about 10 years. Then I moved over into and watercolor is like people who say, well, what is this? Is this oil? I'd be like, no, it's watercolor, because I used really intense color.

Speaker 1:

Wow.

Speaker 2:

Color is really saturated. You know you could not see the paper through my color.

Speaker 1:

Wow.

Speaker 2:

So it's like well, if people are going to think I'm doing oil, I may as well do oil Might as well, do it.

Speaker 2:

In between there I went into mixed media collage and I had a really good time with that because I just accumulated all kinds of little things over the years and so I did some really nice mixed media collage pieces. But I'm a person who has always liked to sell my work, and so that really didn't sell. I could sell classes doing it, but the work people aren't really looking to collect mixed media collage and so that is the point at which I determined I'd do oil paintings, because you can sell your oil paintings.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2:

People want to buy them. And of course, in that all those different things I worked with, I also tried all different kinds of subject matter. So people, I did portraits for commission portraits. I did animals, I did commission portraits of people's pets. I sold a little art cards back in the day I was doing. I had a whole hamster series where I had a little hamster and I took her to Europe and I did this whole hamster series. I was hamster in Venice and she was in Paris and she was in.

Speaker 2:

Rome and London, you know, and I was selling those on eBay and I had two bidders that had a bidding war and I sold two or three of them for like four or $500 each.

Speaker 1:

Back in the day.

Speaker 2:

I love it. It was great At that point. My mom needed some care, and so I just I just had to let it go, because I had to give my mom 24 hours.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, see, guys, I told you, denise is, she's extra, she's done all the stuff. She's got all the stuff, all the tools, all the.

Speaker 2:

it's not hoarding if it's art, right, that's what I always say all the you can't see my whole studio behind me, but I have got that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1:

Well, and and I gotta tell this on you, so I was it last year you came into mastery at one of our small group calls and you were like I'm starting to make my own oil paint now, and I'm doing this and all that.

Speaker 1:

I'm like, what are you doing? But you're just such a great technician and all that kind of stuff and you're not afraid to go into these. I just I love that about you. So let me ask you this, denise so all your art is going? You've gotten married. All this kind of is going.

Speaker 1:

Everything you know on the surface may have seemed rosy. I know your life, like a lot of our lives, there was other currents going on at the same time, because a lot of us didn't grow up knowing that we could take our hurts and feelings and, and you know, uh, difficulties to the Lord, and so we just learned to kind of mask over them with with other things that were, were not healthy. Um, talk about that part of your story because I think a lot of people can can understand that that, hey, I love Jesus, I'm on the road trying to walk with him, I'm doing my art, and yet there are these patterns in my life, these, I guess, empty cisterns right, they keep running dry in my life, that I keep running to that are not serving me, but I don't necessarily know how to do anything else. So talk about that part of your life as you feel led.

Speaker 2:

Well, one of the things about the home I grew up in was that my parents, while they provided well and while they exposed you know, gave me exposure to the arts weren't good communicators. Part of the self-esteem issue was I didn't ever feel like I was loved, and that's I wouldn't say that's necessarily their fault. I think they did the best job they could with what they had. Even though we went to church one day a week, we weren't really involved in church, we just went one day a week. We didn't ever take our problem. We didn't have a relationship with the Lord in our home, so if there was a problem, I didn't take it to the Lord. The only time we prayed was at Christmas dinner and Thanksgiving dinner, two times a year that we prayed as a family, and so then, additionally to that, there wasn't good communication in our home and my mother was very narcissistic personality and my dad was very quiet person.

Speaker 2:

So when I was eight I was saved, and around that same time I was also and I don't know the exact timeline, you know but, around the same time I was also sexually abused by a family friend and that created a dichotomy and, interestingly enough, because of the lack of communication, I didn't tell my parents about either.

Speaker 2:

One of those how it played out was this that as I went on in age I had been saved at a vacation Bible school at a different church Baptist and it was great and I loved having the Lord in my life, but it was a very private affair, just me and him. And as I went on in life I minimized the effect of the other thing, the sexual abuse thing. We stopped going to church when I was 13,. So then I just didn't have really anything solid and I met up with some people who seemed really great and they were into drugs and I started doing drugs and alcohol and all of a sudden I didn't feel bad about myself anymore. It was like I was self-medicating. Also, that was when I was around 16. Also around that time I got involved in the New Age. So because I was always a spiritual seeker, always, always wanted more of God, so I went forward in that New Age path combined with the drugs and alcohol, and I spent the next until I was 28,.

Speaker 2:

So 16 years in that new age path, combined with the drugs and alcohol. And I spent the next until I was 28,. So 16 years, wow. And at the same time I was doing art and I was getting my degree and all the other things I already told you about Going to Europe. So I was effective and I was achieving goals, but inside I was just hurting so much. So it took until I got married before I actually started attending church. And I married a man who was a Christian and his family was Christian. He had been raised in a Christian home and this was unusual for me. I'd never had anybody that really I could even talk with about God. So that turned out to be the Lord's hand, because I was proposed to at least five times before I died.

Speaker 1:

Wow, wow.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I did live a life of just to be completely honest sex, drugs and rock and roll for years.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And the new age. So I found in the new age when I was 28, I found like, well, this is a dead end, it didn't have, there was nowhere to go. In that I explored it fully and completely and there was nowhere to go and it was the most legalistic-based thing I could do. One thing I did learn out of the New Age that was good was I learned how to meditate, and later on, as a Christian, I kind of tossed out the window with all the rest of it, but I brought that back into my life and now I'm on the Word, god's Word, and it's a useful skill and it's helped me tremendously to have them. Anyway.

Speaker 2:

Back to back, enough to the story. So I met and married my husband and we started going to church and, and that was, we were saved. Just probably two months later we rededicated our lives to Christ again and that has made all the difference. Now it hasn't been even perfect since then because, uh, we had children, which was a huge dream of mine to have a couple and um, and then, um, um, our son started having trouble in school and turned out that he had ADD. Come to find out, my husband also had ADD and I am not an ADD person at all and I'm also not a codependent person, so I don't really deal well with excuses.

Speaker 1:

Isn't it amazing, though, how God will put you in the exact place to learn exactly what you need to grow to the next level right.

Speaker 2:

It's all about grace. I get that. Oh man, the grace of God, the grace and mercy. I thank Him all the time for His wonderful mercy and grace, because I was not able to deal with that very well Turns out, you know, sometimes you'll marry exactly the same person that you are almost.

Speaker 2:

And it turns out my husband also had sexual abuse history and he turned to a severe addiction with pornography. He doesn't mind me saying this, he doesn't like I'm sharing it, but severe addiction. He lost three jobs because of it. We lost our house, we lost our car. It was bad. We had to declare bankruptcy and go through all that stuff. So God was with us, though God was with us. We were able to sell our house within a month of the bank taking it back. That was because the bank that we borrowed the money from kept extending grace to us. Wow, so we were.

Speaker 2:

I don't know how far behind in payments we were, but it was a good seven, eight months in payments. There were days I had no idea where anything was going to come from at all and I remember thinking Lord, I just need some comments so I can clean the sink. And we didn't talk about this at church. You know his reasons for being out of a job were not something you talk about. A friend from church showed up. She had a big bag of meat and food and filled up our freezer for us and gave me a bottle of Comet. I'm like how did you? This is amazing, right? God takes those little things and says oh yeah.

Speaker 1:

So good, so good.

Speaker 2:

Just trust him.

Speaker 2:

So that's shot me through and sadly, in that whole event our son was also exposed to pornography, to pornography, and so these events in my life have been in many ways very, very difficult to deal with and God has seen us through and seen me through really building on foundation of taking steps to recover from the low self-esteem, getting counseling and getting help for my husband and doing the things we needed to do so that we could move forward into the path that God has prepared for us. I had friends that said you need to divorce him, just kick him out. And I was like, no, I'm not going to do that because he's going to work on this and he's told and it took a long time, matt, it did. That takes a long time.

Speaker 1:

Do you think that you, um, that you had grace for him because you knew the things you'd walk through, or I mean what, what was the the what gave you the ability to say, nope, I'm not leaving, we're going to get through this, like what, what was that Cause? For a lot of people that's like oh, I'm out of here, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and, and we just, by the way, celebrated our 40th anniversary yesterday.

Speaker 1:

Oh, so good.

Speaker 2:

Well, you know, it's like we're better than ever, but yeah, it was um you know I I ended up doing a lot of blaming and I I still, you know I ended up doing a lot of blaming and I still, you know I have an issue with blaming. That's what I'm working on now, but it was mostly partly the grace of what I had been through, but also the grace that Jesus gave me. It was a gift, a blessing on my life that I just was not going to, because you know what my husband was suffering. He was suffering and how could I add to that suffering that he was undergoing? By leaving, I didn't see any reason to add to his suffering and I think that was the mercy that God gave me to see that suffering.

Speaker 1:

Oh, absolutely. I mean just to be able to see your spouse through that, through those eyes and those moments, is is supernatural in itself and I love the fact. I mean you guys now are involved in recovery ministry together and you know I've just heard you guys talk about over the years how much that means to you as a couple to be able to to turn around and help others that are walking through difficult situations with addiction and all the relational stuff that goes with that. I mean it's just full circle. I mean that's beautiful.

Speaker 2:

It is and we're on the leadership team and it's Celebrate Recovery. Just to give a shout out. International organization is Christ-based and is absolutely phenomenal and it helped me learn things that I never knew. I never knew and just in you know, exploring and exposing my own story and then sharing that with another person, it made all the difference. There's multiple incidents of grace that God showed me that I could share if I had, you know, six hours. The long form podcast right.

Speaker 1:

Well, you know, I I just love you. Know one of the things I love about you and Tanya and I've talked about this you, although you have a huge amount of experience in art and business and recovery stuff and all this kind of stuff, you are one of, I think, the most teachable people that I've ever met. Um, you are, you are never any. You're not somebody that says, oh, I know that or I know how to do that. You're always, I don't care if you've done this for 40 years, 50 years, whatever. You're always like. Well, I've never thought about it that way. I'm. You know, I'll take that advice. I'll do that, matt, and you've been in the mentoring program a lot of times.

Speaker 1:

I know you're um, as much as you're a proponent of, of celebrate recovery. You know you were even saying beforehand, like Matt, I could do a long form infomercial about creative thrive and all this in my life. But I guess I really want to drill down on the intentionality that you approach your life with, because whether it's giving grace to your husband and walking through that, whether it's dealing with your own recovery, whether it's jumping into Creativity to Thrive after having all this experience in art and business and saying you know what? There's some things that I don't know. I want to approach this from a different place. I want to be teachable. I'm willing to sit with Matt and Tanya and learn things that I don't know. I want to approach this from a different place. I want to be teachable. I'm willing to sit with Matt and Tanya and learn things that I don't know and approach it in a different way. I mean, that's just.

Speaker 1:

I think that's an incredible part of how God's wired you and if I would you know. You see, paul and others in the New Testament say, like, look at this person, look at this example. I would just say to everybody look at the example. I would just say to everybody look at the example of denise and how you are continually teachable in your life. So when did created to thrive come into your life and and what's that meant to you? And just what would you say to anybody that's that's continuing to need to learn, as we all are in in our journey, artistically and in business, and all that well, first of all, what an exceedingly kind and fine compliment you have given us.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much.

Speaker 2:

That warms my heart and just makes it clear that you know the path I'm on is a good one. I first came into Creative Thrive I found it actually two years before I joined, and I was. I actually did join for a couple of months back in the early days I don't remember what year it was but I had to leave because I like to be a hundred percent committed to something I'm doing, and at that point we had urgent need for me to go out and get a job again, and so I had to go get a job and I was on that um back at work, so I couldn't commit a hundred percent. But then one day, you know, it's like well, I'm not having to work right now, and all of a sudden another email from Matt Tommy popped up. Oh yeah, matt Tommy, and I'm like boom, I'm in and I did the um, created a thrive experience course, I think that's what it's called.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, now we call that foundations version two of that. So yeah, oh, okay yeah.

Speaker 2:

And it was, you know, awesome. And then at the end and and I had been through enough sales stuff that I knew what was coming I knew there was going to be something to join, you know, and it's like it's only I don't know what, what are you charging at that?

Speaker 2:

But I just joined for a couple months and then I just signed up for life because, you know, when you talked about um, the two things that really stand out to me from those early days in creative thrive was, first of all, being in agreement with God, hearing what he has to say to me and being in agreement with Him. That was huge. And the other one was you specifically discussed taking roadblocks away. What's your roadblock? How do you get rid of it? And I still have little handwritten three-by-five cards that I wrote my roadblocks on and then I wrote scripture that I love it, you know, and, and so I still have those sitting on my shelf I'm pointing at you know yeah, yeah but they're sitting on my shelf there where I can look at those and say, yeah, here's the roadblock, you know?

Speaker 2:

and uh, when I think about, for example, low self-esteem, well, I am god's masterpiece yeah, yeah he made me just as I am, and to, to hear that and to learn that over and over again. Um and just as a, as um contrast, what you focused on in the new age was um being. I am god and I can make things happen.

Speaker 2:

All I have to do is think about it hard, about right right, you know, and I found the dead end in no time at all. But when I identify myself with god and know that I'm not him, because Christ is Him, I identify myself with God and I say you know what he made me in my mother's womb? He knew exactly what he was doing. This is how he made me. I can take these talents that he has given me and do something with them to further His kingdom. I'm in agreement with Him, that's it.

Speaker 1:

And to do all of that in the context of other people, a community where you're not alone. I mean, it's just a, it's a huge deal and I, I love that about you too. You're just, you're somebody that gives as much as you receive, and it's just um, it's just a joy to watch. And it reminds me all the time why we do what we do and in mentoring, because it's one thing for people to listen to podcasts and that's wonderful and watch youtube or read a book or that sort of thing, but we, we have always loved, uh, really getting involved with people's lives and helping them to grow in the things that God's called them to.

Speaker 1:

And I, just again, it's such a joy to watch all that um that God's doing in you and continues to be. Every time we get together for a mastery call or whatever, you're like God's doing this or here's a new thing I'm doing, or or whatever, and I just love that about you. So, denise, I you know you're doing some incredible work now you're. You have yet again, uh, reinventing yourself. If you will artistically tell everybody just briefly what you're doing right now, and then I want you to share your, your website, cause I know that people are going to want to see that and connect with you on social and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 2:

So well, um, I think you're talking about what I've been doing the last year yeah and what that is is. As I was working on my landscapes with oil paint, I realized that I needed better skills, and one of the things that you've always said matt is be filled and skilled yeah talking back to uh bezalel, the um artist that god through um through moses.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, back in exodus thank you put in charge of making things and he, he filled him and he gave him skills. And so for me to be filled and skilled, um, I realized as I was painting the landscapes that I wasn't as skilled as I wanted to be. So I went out and I found someone who I took on as a painting mentor and I learned some very good basics about painting, and I've been doing that for the last year and now I'm ready to just fly on my own and apply them and that's the beginning of a painting. I've got back there using those skills. That's a blocked in oil painting. I'm using the skills he taught me, but now I'm going out, I'm using colors that I love. I'm using, you know, painting what I want to paint, and I'm pretty excited about that.

Speaker 1:

Even the Northwestern landscape. You've been just getting more and more committed to that and painting what's around you and all that. I love that.

Speaker 2:

That's right, and I think that if anyone watching this podcast says I really don't feel confident in what I'm doing, I would encourage you to find somebody that you can work with on a regular basis who will help you get those skills, because we here at at we here. You see how I put myself in created to thrive.

Speaker 1:

I'm about to put you on the payroll. This is a great.

Speaker 2:

Bring you a lot of things, but it's not necessarily a skill art skill- we don't teach art skills, Right right. We don't teach art skills, we teach. We've got community. We've got Christ. We've got content. The best content provider in the world short of Jesus Christ himself is me. Well, include all the apostles too, that's right.

Speaker 2:

Tommy sure knows how to create content. I'm telling you, it's here You've got everything you need to run your art business. But if you don't have the skills, so you've got to get the skills, and that's what I've been doing this last year. And now I'm breaching out, I'm branching out and breaching the surf and going over. There you go.

Speaker 1:

I love it. I love it. Well, Denise, you're an inspiration and I knew, going into this, I told Tanya, I said this is going to be a great interview and I know people are being inspired all over the world listening to this. But what's your website? What's your Instagram?

Speaker 2:

All the stuff where people can connect with you and maybe get to know what you're doing a little more. My website is wwwdeniseclarkwestoncom. That's D-E-N-I-S-E-C-L-A-R-K-W-E-S-T-O-Ncom Instagram and Facebook business. You'll find me under Denise Clark Weston. Artist.

Speaker 1:

Love it, love it. Well, denise, thanks again, and guys be sure to go to those links and and just hit her up on social and all the stuff, follow her and go buy something on our website, right? Or just at least let her know that you heard her here on the thriving Christian artist podcast, and what a joy, denise, and I can't wait to see what God continues to do in your life. So thanks so much for sharing your story.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for asking me on this podcast. Matt, Appreciate it.

Speaker 1:

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