The Thriving Christian Artist
The Thriving Christian Artist
Exploring Prophetic Creativity
The creative process isn't just something artists do on the side—it's the fundamental mechanism through which the kingdom of God operates. In this profound exploration of prophetic creativity, Matt Tommey shares revelatory insights from his 30+ years as both a professional artist and worship leader.
Matt unpacks a transformative understanding of creativity as "seeing and agreeing"—perceiving what God is doing through the Holy Spirit and aligning our hearts with that movement. This process becomes the channel through which heaven literally enters earth, whether through music, visual art, business, or any creative expression. When we grasp this principle, mountains move and lives transform.
The connection between faith and creativity emerges with startling clarity as Matt suggests replacing "faith" in scripture with "creativity." Creativity becomes the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Our creative expressions—whether songs, paintings, dance, or entrepreneurial ventures—manifest tangible evidence that what God revealed in the spiritual realm is actually real.
For those seeking to operate prophetically in their creative calling, Matt outlines the balanced approach exemplified by Bezalel in Exodus 31—being both "filled with the Spirit" and "skilled in workmanship." This dual emphasis prevents the frustration of spiritual impression without the skill to express it, while ensuring our technical proficiency remains infused with divine life.
Jesus himself modeled prophetic creativity, operating from the overflow of relationship with the Father, remaining ready to respond in any moment, and making room for supernatural manifestation in ordinary circumstances. His example challenges us to cultivate both structure and spontaneity, leaving space for those moments when the Spirit moves unexpectedly.
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Welcome to the Thriving Christian Artist, the podcast, where we hope you connect with God to bust through the roadblocks that have held you back for years, create the work you love and really live the life you know. God created you to live as an artist in His kingdom. I'm Matt Tama, your host. Let's get started. Well, hey, my friends, welcome to the podcast, so glad that you're here. I got invited the other night by a friend of mine, dr Vivian Hibbert, to speak to a group of doctoral students in the area of prophetic creativity and worship arts, and I was super honored, because she's one of the heroes of creativity in my life and just was honored to be able to speak to him. Life, and just was honored to be able to speak to him. But I made, I think, a good decision of hitting the record button on my side of it as well, just to kind of re-listen to what I was teaching, and I thought, doggone it. This came out really good. I think I'll try to share it on the podcast, and so that's what today's episode is all about is sort of a deep dive into this area of prophetic creativity and what it means to really co-labor with the Holy Spirit. Listen, this is one of those topics that I could speak on forever and ever, and ever and ever. But this is about 30 minutes or so of deep diving into this topic and I just pray it's going to be a blessing for you, as you and I are learning more and more every day how to co-labor with the Holy Spirit and what it is that we're called to do creatively. So sit back and enjoy and, of course, I'd love to know what you think. So always feel free to leave a comment and, of course, share with your friends if this podcast continues to be a blessing to you.
Speaker 1:I really wanted to kind of approach this tonight, I guess, from a little bit different way, in that, as Vivian said, I've been a musician my whole life. My mom was a choir director and musician forever. So I grew up playing the piano since I was five, but in my middle teenage years began to really find this love for making with my hands, and so I've always kind of been in this sort of back and forth of worship from a musical you know, being in church kind of worship, kind of standpoint, but also at the same time, creating. And for the last 15 years I've made my living primarily from from my artwork, and so I've gotten to see kind of both sides of what people refer to as prophetic worship, prophetic art, that sort of thing. And I've really come to believe you know, I had a lot of sacred cows, I think, like everybody does when you kind of when you come into sort of trying to understand what it is to walk in the prophetic and walk in the presence of God, in regards to our creativity.
Speaker 1:But to me I've really come to believe that creativity is how the kingdom of God works. Kingdom of God works, it's the process by which the kingdom of God comes from heaven, through us, into the earth in every realm. So whether you're in worship, whether you are in, you know making with your hands, whether you're in business or speaking or vocational ministry or whatever, and to me to try to boil that down obviously is a huge task. But I like to talk about walking in the kingdom in the context of that creative process, in terms of seeing and agreeing. That is, we see and sense and feel and understand as believers, through the power of the Holy Spirit, what God is saying, where he's moving, where he wants to move, what's on his heart, and we agree with that in our heart, right, so we sense that God's saying something, that we agree with that in our heart. And then, through the unique design of our life, through whatever gifts and talents, passions, graces, perspectives that he's put within us, we get to release the nature of God, the presence of God in and through our life. And for those of us, where that happens in worship, wow, that's an incredible thing. But for those of us that are visual artists, we get to see God move in on and through objects that we create and people that are business owners. They get to see God move in on and through businesses that they create and environments that they create. And so I really believe that, again, creativity is not just something that we do on the side, that worship is not just this little thing that we offer to the Lord on Sunday. This is how we're designed to co-labor with the Father in the kingdom, to see His kingdom come and His will be done.
Speaker 1:Creativity is not extra. It's the way the kingdom of God is designed. The essence of creativity is to see and agree. Really, to me, that even goes deeper in being really the essence of faith. Right, because faith, the Bible says, is what the substance, the tangible, the substance of things hoped for, the evidence, the tangible proof of things not seen.
Speaker 1:And so you know, when we are involved in the creative process, where does that start? It starts in our spirit, man. It starts in our imagination. The Holy Spirit moves on us Again. For musicians, maybe that comes in the form of a song or a prophetic utterance. Maybe that comes in something that you're playing, a worship environment that you're creating. Maybe for me, as a visual artist, that comes as something that I'm going to make. But it all starts in our imagination. That word that you see all through the Bible, used for imagination many times, is yetzer right, which is this idea of a womb or a studio like one, being formed by clay, like a seed bed. And so you think, wow, god is speaking and moving in the context of our imagination and giving us the opportunity to see and agree with him.
Speaker 1:And I just, you know, I just like to think. I don't believe God is stingy, right. I mean, I just believe that that the Holy Spirit is pouring out revelation all the time. It's like you know, back in the old-timey church Vivian may have heard this, you know they used to say get close to the spout where the glory comes out right. I want to be under the flow of heaven in what I'm doing, and I believe that our Father is a good Father who desires to give good gifts to His children. Jesus said it's the Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
Speaker 1:And so I just you know, I believe, as sons and daughters and as creative ones, that we have this opportunity to, in a beautiful way, not in a weird way, not in a churchy way, not in a religious way, just in a beautiful, authentic, relationally based way we can connect with the voice of the Holy Spirit and connect with the revelation that he is pouring out at any time, in any place, for anything. And just as much as that happens in worship, it can happen in the marketplace, it can happen in your family, it can happen wherever. And so I want to kind of start that way, because, in that context, your worship, and the worship that we help facilitate, and the art that we create, and all of that, all of this is a conduit, the conduits for heaven to come to earth. And again, that is the nature of the kingdom of God that he's releasing his revelation and releasing his presence to us so that it can go through us to release light and life and transformation to others. And I don't know about you, but that is like this incredible invitation for us, and I remember this has been years ago when I was kind of digging into this idea of creativity and faith.
Speaker 1:And how does this work? You know, sometimes the Lord will take you on a little journey. And I was studying this and I felt the Holy Spirit prompt me as I was reading about faith. He said just take the word instead of faith, replace it with art. And we can say, for this context, replace it with creativity, just for a second Creativity without creativity it's impossible to please God.
Speaker 1:Well, if you say creativity is this idea of seeing and agreeing the essence of faith, I'd say absolutely right, because otherwise we're just out performing for God kind of worker bees, you know all this sort of thing. So I'm like out performing for God, kind of worker bees, you know all this sort of thing. So I'm like, yeah, that's what about? You know, faith is the substance of things. So for creativity is the substance of things hoped for, it's the evidence of things not seen. That is when you create something and you create a song, a moment, a piece of art or whatever it is literally. Come on now. It's literally the evidence that the thing God showed you in the spirit is actually real. Wow, wow, so that we're bringing heaven to earth through the things that God calls us to speak and sing and move and dance and create and facilitate. This becomes a conduit. What about?
Speaker 1:Why is it that people get delivered and set free and brought to the Lord more easily in a creative context? You know that's true, right, I mean, you could be witnessing it for somebody for 10 years. All of a sudden, they hear a song and God's breaking through. You know the Holy Spirit's on them. Why is that? Well, what about that verse that says with the faith of a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, move and it would be moved and cast into the sea. With the creativity of a mustard seed, with the creative expression of a mustard seed, with just a little bit of you in the context of your creative gifting, seeing and agreeing with the power of the Holy Spirit, under the unction of his power. In that moment, when you act like that and when you bring heaven into earth through the unique design and flavor that God's called you to, in that moment, mountains get moved. In that moment, people get delivered and set free.
Speaker 1:I would say, not just because you're talented, because God's not looking for more talented orphans, right, he's looking for sons and daughters who can see and agree with him and are willing to make room for him in these moments. And so I just, I firmly believe, after all these years 30 plus years working and living as an artist and walking in ministry and all this I just believe you can't operate in the kingdom without this principle of seeing and agreeing, which is creativity. Without that, what are we really doing? I love the verse that Jesus said right, he said when the Pharisees were coming at him and accusing him and all this, and you're healing people on the Sabbath, and all this. And Jesus said, hey, I just do the things that I see the father doing and isn't. Isn't that again, just when we break it all down. Let's not talk about style, let's not talk about preference, let's not talk about music, art, creativity, whatever it is in, whatever moment we're in, aren't we supposed to be doing just what we see the Father doing? And responding to that?
Speaker 1:And the beautiful thing, I think, for us, and also the challenge for us as musicians and worshipers and those that are, you know, invited to invite others into this process. We have the exhilaration I would say there's nothing better. I mean, can we all agree? There's nothing better when you're in the moment and you sense the Holy Spirit is moving in and on and through you and you see God moving in the room and you see others being touched. I mean, wow, there is nothing better than that. Sell it all for those moments, right? I love that. And so I just think, wow, when we enter into this, we're entering into this sort of collaborative dance, this collaborative process with the Holy Spirit, and we're making room, we're yielding to him on purpose to give him freedom and power to move.
Speaker 1:And so I would say, the biggest challenge, I think, for living prophetically in the context of the worship environment and the context of just the church environment, is realizing that prophetic living is an invitation, is an invitation to those who are willing to make room for the Holy Spirit to move in freedom and in power. That might be quotable, so I'll say it again Prophetic living is an invitation to those who are willing to make room for the Holy Spirit to move in freedom and in power. Now I just want to say this and I believe you knew him too, vivian Jack Taylor. Jack Taylor, one of my primary mentors in the kingdom. He said listen, anytime he'd say something challenging. He said listen, I'm not anti-church, but I'm pro-kingdom.
Speaker 1:Right, and I want to say this sometimes, church is the hardest place to allow the essence of what it means to be prophetic and what it means to be creative in the church, because we've been so married to form and structure that we forget that the Holy Spirit is there in every moment, inviting us to take a breath, to breathe and to feel and to say Lord, where is the wind of the spirit? What is it that you want to do in these moments? But when we respond as musicians, as worship leaders, as people that are leading in communities of faith and in worship, when we respond in faith, in these moments, we're opening the door right for his life and his life. I remember Vivian so vividly not to use too much alliteration I remember so vividly. You said this has been 10, 15 years ago.
Speaker 1:You were saying something about we're the doorkeepers of his presence. Oh, the doorkeepers of his presence, that we, the doorkeepers of his presence, that we're the ones that get to go before and open the door to his presence and say come on in and just think about that. When we do that, when we have this incredible opportunity to respond in faith to say yes, I'm going to take a chance, I'm going to step out on that unction that I feel right now, I'm going to take a chance, I'm going to open the door to something. I feel like God is moving in. He promises to do what he promises to inhabit the praises of his people. When we open up those doors of faith, his light and his life get released.
Speaker 1:It goes so far beyond our talent and our techniques and all the stuff that we can bring, and everybody in that moment gets transformed right. Because when God I mean you know, when God shows up, things change right. When God shows up, we all get transformed. And when we get to respond in the middle of that, that's how real transformation happens. And so again, I just think, wow, this, as special as we all feel as artists and musicians, and the wonderful, unique giftings that God's put in us. I just want to again bring this back around to saying this essence of creativity and walking in the kingdom to see and agree. This is an invitation for everybody, in every area of culture, in every area of our life and in the marketplace.
Speaker 1:Will we have an ear to the spirit and will we be faithful to respond and say, yeah, I want to give room for the Holy Spirit to speak and to move? I can't. I can't tell you how many times. I don't know who said this, maybe Dan McCollum or somebody much smarter than me said you know, prophetic is always spelled risk, right, prophetic is always spelled R-I-S-K. You know, but how many times I just I've been doing this a long time. There's never a moment. There's never a moment in worship, there's never a moment at Walmart when you feel God say and speak to somebody. There's never a moment that when you feel that thing, that the Holy Spirit is trying to speak to you, there's never a moment that you don't hear. Is that really the Lord? Are you? Is this, are you really supposed to do this? I mean, this is just your flesh. You know, isn't the enemy always like that? He's always there, right, sowing doubt and all that.
Speaker 1:But we got to step forward in faith and when we do, I've never been disappointed. I've never been disappointed when I stepped out in faith. It might not have been expressed exactly like I thought it would have. The people may not have responded exactly like I thought I wanted have. The people may not have responded exactly like I thought I wanted them or I thought they should have responded, but I've never been disappointed. You'll never be disappointed in stepping out in faith, because God sees our faithfulness. See, this is just this.
Speaker 1:Set me free so many years ago, god that did you know that you can't produce fruit in your life? You can't produce fruit in your life. The only thing that you can do is stay connected to the vine. You know whose responsibility is produce fruit through you, jesus, the vine. Right, jesus said I'm the vine, you're the branches. Apart, apart from me, you can do nothing. I'm trying to in my life, in ministry, do nothing but hold on to Jesus and say God, with the vine that you've given me, with the talents that you've given me, the graces, the perspectives, all the stuff, lord, I want to keep my vine open. I want to keep my eyes and my ears open so that when you want to move, there's a freedom there, there's not that struggle. And I think we can. I think we can learn that we can. We can learn and cultivate a soft heart to the Lord that when he, when he, wants to do something, we're not so bound up in religion and fear of man, but we can just and we've created a culture around us that we say, you know what, I just got the freedom to do this and I'm going to, I'm going to step out Now one of the things that I think is important to contextualize this, especially in regards to music and the arts, because I may be, you know, you can watch American Idol and realize somebody's mama lied to them, right?
Speaker 1:I mean, we know this. Right, everybody thinks they're anointed and appointed, and they might be, but they're on a journey. They're on a journey, and so Exodus 31, we all know this as creatives. And so Exodus 31, we all know this as creatives Bezalel being appointed, aholiab being appointed by Moses, and it says that they were filled. Bezalel was filled with the Spirit of God and skilled in every manner of workmanship right, filled and skilled. I believe that that is the model, if you will, for operating as a healthy, empowered, spirit-led creative in the kingdom, because, how many of you know, you can be filled with the Holy Spirit. You can be full of unction and power and anointing and desire and vision and passion and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:But if you don't have the skill to actually step out in the things that God is showing you and again we're talking tonight in the context of the art, so music, dance, art, whatever it is God's showing you something, you're full of passion for it, but if you don't have the skill to actually walk it out, then what happens? Disappointment, right. What does the Bible say? The hope deferred makes the heart what Sick. I remember Ray Hughes saying one time impression without expression leads to depression, right? In other words, if you got an impression from the Lord and you can't express it through your life, what's going to happen? You're going to get depressed, you're going to get despondent. Why? Because you got all this vision but you can't work it out.
Speaker 1:On the other hand, you got a lot of people, especially in the church, who are skilled to the max. Who are skilled to the max. They're the most incredible pianist, organist, drummer, worship team member, dancer, drama theater writer, whatever it is. But they've never made room for the invitation of the Holy Spirit in the context of their skill, in the context of their creative gifting. And so what happens? They have all of this skill but no life and no power. And so for us, as creatives, there's this beautiful thing.
Speaker 1:I believe that God wants us to bring us together. Even you see it in is it in Chronicles, asaph, sajuth and in Heman right? It says that they taught the musicians how to play skillfully and prophesy. It didn't say they just taught them how to prophesy. Boy, those boys are prophesying. No, play skillfully and prophesy why? Because playing skillfully without the prophetic unction of the Holy Spirit just produces good music. And I don't know about you, but I don't need any more good music.
Speaker 1:I was tired of going to church 30 years ago. Like I'm not, I'm not going. I'm not showing up at church just to hear another song and be be encouraged in my flesh. I want to know that. I know that, I know that I have met with God and and doggone it. If I'm in leadership and if you're in leadership, we better know that the thing that God's calling us to do is not just to get up there and tickle people's ears. We are there to be a conduit, door opener, whatever you want to say, to the presence and power of God. And that is what prophetic worship and living this creativity is is all about now prophetic worship and living this creativity is is all about.
Speaker 1:Now a couple more things, because I could, I'm like vivid, I could talk all night on this and I'm not, I'm not, but another verse, I just, I just, you know this in revelation, the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of jesus. Right, that word testimony there is like a legal term. It's talking about the evidence of bearing witness of, and so when I think about the testimony of Jesus, you know, in that process I think about this. When we operate in the prophetic, we are providing evidence that the supernatural realm is real. Right, we're giving witness to that. We're saying the thing that the Holy Spirit is speaking to me right now, the thing that I've read in His Word. He's confirmed in my spirit, he's on me right now to release through my worship, through my dance, through my writing, through my speaking, whatever it is that is providing evidence that that that realm is real, it, it, literally our creativity, our facilitation, our, our offering of worship is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Right, because it is. It is the expression of the thing that God is moving on us with. Does that make you with me on that? So, so, so, so powerful.
Speaker 1:And so when I think of what is the testimony of Jesus, I think, well, who is Jesus? Because if I was testifying, I would want to tell you who Jesus is. I'd want to do life like Jesus did it, because I want to live a prophetic life, I want to lead worship and play music and create art in a prophetic way. And so the first thing I think, well, who is Jesus? What is he saying? What has he said? What's he saying now, like in this moment, what I hear Jesus saying, what I hear the Holy Spirit saying, what's he doing now? How can I come into agreement with that? That's the spirit, that's that prophetic spirit that we operate in, right. But I also think about, you know, the spirit of prophecies and testimony of Jesus.
Speaker 1:I think about, well, how did Jesus do things? How did Jesus operate? Because he was fully God, yet fully man. So Jesus listen, jesus was having to operate by faith too. Right, fully man. Right, jesus was having to see and agree with heaven. Right, I'm just doing the things I see the father do. I'm just trying to stay in step with my daddy, right? I mean, come, come on. Jesus didn't have a secret ability that we didn't know about. You know he was fully God and fully man and chose to be limited in his flesh, to walk this earth without sin, so that he could be a model for us, to show us how you can do this. And you're going to even do greater things. He said when the Holy Spirit comes upon you in power Whoa. So what are some of the things that Jesus did?
Speaker 1:And I think this is important for worship leaders and those of us again who facilitate a culture of prophetic living. I'm going to say it like that he pulled away from the crowds often to be with the Father. You can't live prophetically, you can't worship prophetically without a habit in the secret place, without a regular appointment with Jesus in the secret place. It's been said by so many people you can't lead where you've never been right. You can't give what you don't have Right. And so the other thing I think about Jesus. Jesus, did you ever see Jesus somebody come up to him and ask him to get healed? And he said oh, I didn't have my quiet time today, I better go pray about that real quick. And then I'm, I'm, I'm. I had to get back with you on that one. No, he didn't say that, did he?
Speaker 1:He was always operating out of the overflow of relationship with the father, always operating out of the overflow of relationship with the Father. See when the Bible says we got to be ready in season and out of season. I think that is so important for musicians and for creatives because it's in those moments when we don't realize what God's going to do. But we got to be ready to respond right. We got to be ready to respond right. We got to be ready to respond.
Speaker 1:I used to tell my bands that I had over all these years God bless them. I used to tell them I said listen, you're going to ride with me. You got to be able to play any song in any key at any time. We're going to do Nashville numbers. You need to know how. My bass player was always on my left because I said I'm not sure where I'm going, but you got to be able to follow my left hand, why I want to operate out of the overflow and I'm not going to be bound by a song list. That don't mean I don't have a song list, that don't mean I don't have a plan. Of course, form and spirit right, but in a moment I got to be ready to respond.
Speaker 1:Jesus always, operated out of the overflow, did the things he saw the Father doing. I think Jesus made room in the mundane and the ordinary to give the supernatural room to manifest. Right, it's walking down the road. It's seeing a woman at the well. It's seeing a bunch of hungry people that need to be fed. It's seeing one of his disciples that, oops, I ain't got enough money for my taxes this month. He's in the middle of the mundane. He's saying I'm just going to pause and I'm going to make room for this and guess what? He saw signs and wonders as the evidence that when he saw and when he see and agree, when he made room for the movement of the Holy Spirit, signs and wonders followed. And what does the Bible say? Signs and wonders will follow what those who believe, so I guess.
Speaker 1:Lastly, I would say this just in regards to New Testament worship. You know, we know in Ephesians it talks about, you know we should be encouraging each other with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, right? I again will say prophetic worship and the prophetic living is not always going to be the experience of every believer, because it's an invitation, not a requirement. The Holy Spirit is always about invitation, right? I mean, think about the day of Pentecost, right? The Bible says over 500 people heard about this invitation to hey, go wait in the upper room for the Holy Spirit to come upon you. How many showed up? 120? What percentage is that? I don't know? I don't know. But many are invited, but few, few will take the time and make the space to say I'm going to, I'm going to give room for this.
Speaker 1:But you think about Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs. That that word you know pneumaticus, I believe is is the spiritual songs, right, it's the, that's the spirit breathe. What are the psalms? We have a book of psalms, right? We have a book of psalms that David and maybe others wrote in that moment, wonderful. We need to be incorporating those Hymns, right? Modern songs of the church and historical things that people have written that declared the goodness of God. Yeah, we need things that people have written that declared the goodness of God. Yet we need all of that. So it's not either or. It is not either or. But in those moments of structure and form and all of our planning and all this, we got to leave room for that pneumaticus, right? That spirit-breathed song.
Speaker 1:Vivian, I don't know if you ever went, but a big influence on me in my life was the Brownsville revival, and I was a Methodist worship leader. I was baptized in the Holy spirit but I just didn't have a lot of context for what all that looked like. And somebody told me this back in like 97, 98,. They said, man, you sound just like Lyndall Cooley when you lead worship. He's the Brown worship leader down here this revival. You need to go down there. And I said revival. I said, man, you sound just like Lyndall Cooley when you lead worship. He's the worship leader down here at this revival. You need to go down there. And I said revival. I said, yeah, we got a spring revival and a fall revival. They said, no, you don't understand what this is. And I went down there to the first worship conference that Brownsville had and I'd never heard the word like intercessor. I didn't know anything. I'd never seen a banner in worship. I mean, where did I've been?
Speaker 1:I've been up at the Methodist church my whole life and I got down there and the thing that I could not believe was that people would wait in line 10 or 12 hours to get in this, I mean in the hot Pensacola sun and we would come in and worship I'm talking about just the music, just worship Would go two and a half, three and a half hours Every night, seven days a week for years, and at the end of these songs, and we'd sing hymns, and we'd sing psalms and all these songs that you knew, hymns of the church, and all this. But when they would stop and I can feel it like right, I can just feel it washing over me right now they would start to sing spontaneously, in the spirit. I mean, whoa, I'm talking about waves, waves of glory, waves of glory, waves of glory, waves of glory, waves of glory. And it would go on. Woo, I feel it right now and I'm telling you, I'm telling you, for for 10, 15 minutes, between these songs, people were just in the presence of God. Why? Because somebody in leadership chose to make room for the Holy Spirit. And so, friends, I think if I had to sum the whole thing up, that would be it.
Speaker 1:That's what prophetic worship is about. That's what prophetic living is about is being uncomfortable with the unexpected, being uncomfortable with not quite knowing exactly how this is going to go, but being completely comfortable that when I make room for the Holy Spirit in the context of my authority, in the context of my gifting. God is going to show up and he will never leave his children begging bread. And I don't know about you, but that's a journey that I'm willing to go on. Hey, also, before you leave, make sure to hit the subscribe button so you don't miss any of the other episodes of the Thriving Christian Artist podcast, and also be sure to connect with me on Facebook, instagram or at my website, which is matttommymentoringcom. Until next time, remember you were created to thrive. Bye-bye, thank you.